Non-EM Residency Trained Docs: Post and Be Counted!

Posted: August 4, 2008 by Doc in ER Docs

We have decided to conduct an informal, completely unscientific survey to answer the question,
“How many non-Emergency medicine (EM) residency trained ER physicians have had their ER career/ livelihood terminated or seriously limited due to lack of EM residency training?
Post and be counted, you don’t have to use your real name, just give us
your work setting (urban/ suburban/ rural),
-years in ER practice,
original specialty training, and
-if you’d like to tell us something about your circumstances, it would be greatly appreciated.
If you want to solve a problem, you have to get a good look at it.

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  1. docu says:

    -your work setting (urban/ suburban/ rural): Urban

    -years in ER practice:
    7 years full time.

    -original specialty training:
    Family Medicine residency trained/certified.

    ER career/ livelihood terminated or seriously limited due to lack of EM residency training?

    Yes, on several occasions I’ve encountered discrimination which limited my career and livelihood. Ironically, managers /directors that argue for the need for residency training in EM often do not hesitate to utilize non-EM trained docs or even midlevel providers when it suits their needs or their pocket books.

    I work for a large EM partnership and have earned full partner status. Unfortunately, the lack of formal EM training has limited my role to filling shifts in hard to staff areas. In my experience, these are sometimes the most demanding.

  2. DW says:

    What would you say is the economic/ quality of life impact of this treatment?

  3. docu says:

    I believe the lack of job security is the main issue that confronts many of us. This has obvious economic and lifestyle implications.

  4. DW says:

    Thanks for your comment, does anyone else out there concur?

  5. Stardocs says:

    -Work setting: Suburban
    – Years in ER practice :15 years FT
    – Original Specialty Training: IM
    -ER career/ livelihood limited by lack of EM residency training:
    Yes, difficulty finding work after new ER group took over previous hospital where I had worked for 10 years and did not renew my contract but hired new EM grads to replace me. Currently drive 75 miles to new hospital ED where I work at reduced pay, can’t relocate because of family.
    I am worried that I will be forced out of my new job in the near future, and my kids are still in school.

  6. dred says:

    – Urban
    – 12 years
    – Surgery
    – Yes, currently have to work per diem in 2-3 hospitals, afraid that I will have to leave again due to lack of EM residency, have to put up with night shifts and holidays when I can get them; I’m a good doctor and I deserve better

  7. skimd says:

    – Suburban
    -18 years
    – IM
    – was chief of ER in community hospital for 12 years, hospital closed and bought by bigger area, “academic” hospital, only want EM residency trained docs (won’t even take ABEM certified GF) , can’t find anything comparable to my old position, too young to retire, seriously rethinking whether I want to continue doing EM,
    is this what AAEM/ ACEP want to happen considering there’s an ER physician shortage?

  8. drotor says:

    21 years FT in emergency medicine with one year post-graduate training. Named top physician at three different hospitals before my job was eliminated for not having three years post-graduate training or Boards in EM.

  9. Doc says:

    Thanks for posting. Unfortunately, as you can see your situation is becoming increasingly common. If you don’t mind my asking, what are you doing now?

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